TB-031-036 • The CAGED System 1-6 (all lessons)

[uinthejungle]

i am so lost there will be lots of questions so if anyone takes the time to answer then thank you sooooo much.

what does it mean in the key of g or whatever other note?does that mean finding the g note on the sixth string and playing a scale from it?

i dont get y there is a Bb in the key of F maj?(F G A Bb C D E F)I know it goes F then G and starts over a A but why is Bb not just a regular B?

why in the diagram it starts on F and not Fmaj if it key of Fmaj?(F G A Bb C D E F)

why in the video he says its helpful to play all the F chords in the five positions but he doesnt play the F chord where your 1st finger covers the 1st two strings on the 1st fret and your 2nd covers the 3rd string 2nd fret and 3rd finger on 4th string 3rd fret?

whoever answers any of these thank you and if some of these questions dont go with the topic sorry.

[Zapped]

what does it mean in the key of g or whatever other note?does that mean finding the g note on the sixth string and playing a scale from it?

Basically, yes. When you find the note of the major scale starting from the note G, you find all the notes that make up that key. Melodies and chords that are considered "in the key of G" are all built using only those notes.

i dont get y there is a Bb in the key of F maj?(F G A Bb C D E F)I know it goes F then G and starts over a A but why is Bb not just a regular B?

Because there is a specific formula of half-steps (notes one fret apart) and whole-steps (notes two frets apart) that make a major scale. If you follow that formula starting on F, you'll need a Bb.

why in the diagram it starts on F and not Fmaj if it key of Fmaj?(F G A Bb C D E F)

F is the note. F major is the key. The "major" signifies a particular kind of scale. "Minor" is another type of scale.

why in the video he says its helpful to play all the F chords in the five positions but he doesnt play the F chord where your 1st finger covers the 1st two strings on the 1st fret and your 2nd covers the 3rd string 2nd fret and 3rd finger on 4th string 3rd fret?

At 3:24 he plays the chord you describe except he uses the full barre. You're only playing the top four strings in your description.

[Michael_LA]

 

Ok, I'm a HUGE Justin fan, I tell ever guitar player I meet about him and donate when I can BUT I have to say his lessons regarding the CAGED system are lacking. Using the practical music theory 1 and the site I can't find a diagram of each cage. I thought it was on the site somewhere about 6 months ago but now I can't find anything. I guess it's in the video on the first page of the site and definitely not in the downloaded course, but with a slow connection it's maddening  trying to view it and as such, haven't. I've learned the e and d shape and was ready for the c shape and have had to go to other resources for all of the information. In particular http://www.cagedguitarsystem.net/ Once I learn all 5 shapes I'll have a go at it again with the info here but so far it's just confusing.
Sorry just had to vent, a little frustrated . . .

[jayc]

Hi, i'm new here.  Found the lesson helpful but how the hell do i stretch my fingers like that, i've only got small hands.  Any tips?  looks impossible and feels that way too but love the idea.

thanks

j

[jayc]

Michael - isnt it under the "chords" section and then

"NOTE - Those looking for information on the CAGED SYSTEM CLICK HERE - most of you should check this out. Important stuff - hence why it's in The Basics instead of the Chords area"

or am i missing more, thats all i've read and it shows all 5 shapes and where all the notes are on the fret all the way up.

[bellyman]

Here is my 2 cents.
I learned CAGED from Bill Edwards Fretboard Logic.
Slightly different from Justin's but that doesn't matter at all because.......
This is all about CHORDS and SHAPES
Let's start with one chord only  to minimise the confusion...c chord.
First Position Barre Chord  C CHORD C SHAPE
Index finger to left of nut (not fingering any strings...you will see why later)
4th finger on 5th string 3rd fret
3rd finger on 4th string 2nd fret
2nd finger on 2nd string 1st fret
Second position                   C CHORD A SHAPE
Index finger on 5th string 3rd fret
4th finger barre strings 4 3 and 2 on 5th fret
Third position                       C CHORD G SHAPE
Index finger barre the fifth fret
3rd finger 6th string 8th fret
2nd finger 5th string 7th fret
4th finger 1st string 8th fret.
4th position                            C CHORD E SHAPE
Index finger barre the eigth fret
3rd finger 5th string 10th fret
4th finger 4th string 10th fret
2nd finger 3rd string 9th fret
5th position                            C CHORD D SHAPE
Index finger barre the 10th fret
2nd finger 3rd string 12th fret
3rd finger 1st string 12th fret
4th finger 2nd string 13th fret
Using the same fingering move each of the above up 2 frets and you are now playing in D
Move up 4 frets you are playing in E.
The key changes but the SHAPES remain the same.
Not all the shapes are easy to play.
Find the shapes that suit you and move that shape up the fret until you get the key you want.
Use a maximum of four frets to play the shapes.
Notice how the shapes blend together C SHAPE leads into  A SHAPE leads into….
Now you can possibly see how Justin arrives at a slightly different shape to say Edwards.
Doesn’t matter.
This is a great site…but buy Fretboard Logic…read the accolades on the cover and you will see why.

[jenmarcjl]

I've been studying the CAGED shapes for major chords, minor chords, pentatonic scales and diatonic scales.  I drew the following fretboard diagrams to help me, and thought I would share them on the forum.

I haven't seen it put together this way on the net, but I imagine it is somewhere.  I made the following four separate diagrams, starting with Major Chords, then adding Minor Chords, then adding Pentatonic Scales and then adding Diatonic Scales.  I decided to use B Major and it's relative minor G# Minor to serve as the keys to avoid getting the Chord Names mixed up with the Shape Names (the names B and G# aren't C, A, G, E, or D).  Since B Major played near the nut is in the A Major Shape, the sequence on each diagram starts with the A Major Shape near the nut and ends with the C Major Shape near the 12th fret (the Major Shapes run AGEDC from left to right).  It's pretty easy to see the common notes from one shape to the next as you move down the fretboard diagrams.  It's also helpful to see how the Pentatonic and Diatonic Scales are grouped around the Major and Minor Chords.

The minor scales in particular are some wierd shapes, and can't be played entirely as shown, but you can choose what part of the chord shapes you want to play or that sound the best and play those.

I think this has helped me a lot in getting better at finding the scales for the key the song is in.  Maybe this will help someone out some.

[jenmarcjl]

Sorry, I should have said "minor chords", not "minor scales" in the third paragraph.

I've been studying the CAGED shapes for major chords, minor chords, pentatonic scales and diatonic scales.  I drew the following fretboard diagrams to help me, and thought I would share them on the forum.

I haven't seen it put together this way on the net, but I imagine it is somewhere.  I made the following four separate diagrams, starting with Major Chords, then adding Minor Chords, then adding Pentatonic Scales and then adding Diatonic Scales.  I decided to use B Major and it's relative minor G# Minor to serve as the keys to avoid getting the Chord Names mixed up with the Shape Names (the names B and G# aren't C, A, G, E, or D).  Since B Major played near the nut is in the A Major Shape, the sequence on each diagram starts with the A Major Shape near the nut and ends with the C Major Shape near the 12th fret (the Major Shapes run AGEDC from left to right).  It's pretty easy to see the common notes from one shape to the next as you move down the fretboard diagrams.  It's also helpful to see how the Pentatonic and Diatonic Scales are grouped around the Major and Minor Chords.

The minor scales in particular are some wierd shapes, and can't be played entirely as shown, but you can choose what part of the chord shapes you want to play or that sound the best and play those.

I think this has helped me a lot in getting better at finding the scales for the key the song is in.  Maybe this will help someone out some.

[jenmarcjl]

I noticed that I had a C# note shown on the D string on the 12th fret by accident. I moved it down a fret and reposted the diagrams.

Take care.

[BongSmoke84]

i have a problem that is TOTALLY halthing my progress in the guitar and it is this

a root, the third and the fifth. These refer to the scale tones. For Example in C major: C D E F G A B C. The Root is C, the 3rd is E and the 5th is G.

IF THIS IS SO,THEN WHY IS A C CHORD PLAYED C,E,C INSTEAD OF C,E,G??

[Bootstrap]

Bong this isn't the right thread - but to answer your question - you do play a G when you play a C chord as you play the open G string - you play C twice (and 3 E's) as this allows you to play 6 strings instead of just 3 or 4 giving the chord a fuller sound - you could leave the 2nd & 3rd finger off if you wanted to and just play the bottom 3 strings and you would still be playing a C chord - it just doesn't sound as good in most pieces.

Cheers, Bootstrap

Edit: forgot to say you can also drop the E on the 6th string and add in a fourth finger to give you a 2nd G (3rd fret 6th string)

[licksnkicks]

Total simplicity at it's best.  This cleared everything up for me(NO offence to Justins way of teaching)

http://www.ehow.com/video_2380052_playing-versions-1-2-c.html

Just follow the vids through.  It got me over the hump!

Licksnkicks

[jenmarcjl]

  Different twist on CAGED - add in B and F Shapes

I finally got these in shape enough to post them.

This is an attempt to ease some of the misgivings about CAGED. I added in B Maj and F Maj chord shapes to try to fill in the missing links in the CAGED sequence. From left to right, these diagrams build on one another. The first shows Maj Chord Shapes AGFEDCB and the last shows Three Note Per String Diatonic scale patterns around each shape. Minor chord shapes, Pentatonic Patterns and three different patterns of Diatonic scales are built upon each other. I showed the Typical Scale Position Numbering from Position 1 to 7 on the last two diagrams to go along with the seven Diatonic patterns on each, along with their Mode Names.

I'm actually ok with the regular CAGED shapes and the 5 scale patterns that Justin shows in his lesson.  I often see in forums that five shapes and five scale patterns has turned off some people to CAGED.  It's so helpful to use scales around the chord shapes, I thought I'd try to add in some other scale patterns and chord shapes.  I'm sure someone else has done something similar, but I hadn't found it on the internet so far.

I may come up with the same diagrams having no note names shown on them so someone can print them out and fill in any key they want. The ones I posted here are in B Maj / F# min key.

Take care.

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[jenmarcjl]

 ;)Different twist on CAGED - add in B and F Shapes

Something went wrong with the first gif on my last post.  Here are the diagrams again.

[jenmarcjl]

Different twist on CAGED - add in B and F Shapes

Correction:
I may come up with the same diagrams having no note names shown on them so someone can print them out and fill in any key they want. The ones I posted here are in B Maj / F# min G# min key.

Take care.