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« on: July 14, 2008, 08:27:30 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 06:25:09 AM »

Please tellme how to do an easier A chord PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE, i have big fingers and i cant squeeze them all in, i'm a newbie of about 10 days playing.
i have tried the 1 2 3 finger position, the 2 1 3 finger position, its all still a squeeze. I'm on an accoustic.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2008, 03:13:46 AM »

Mik, you have to put more effort into your question, if you want people to put effort into a reply (it's only fair?). That goes for every one else who uses crap texted style question and then expect a concise reply. U no hu u r.

Every one struggles within the first days/weeks. I do and did.  Your question doesn't make sense but I am guessing you, like me are looking down at the old Walls Sausages and thinking how the heck can I get those into that tiny little chord shape  Huh Two answers.

1.  Time and practice:   Will eventually crunch those little porkers into the the Barre. It's important to look at the strings around the fingers.  If the string next to the finger which is holding down a note, is not being played, don't be afraid to rest against it. For instance in the C chord, it's OK to rest the index finger against the open E string, which will only mute it and stop that pudgy index muting the D.  Trust me, it's amazing to look back after a few months a remember how hard you found the D Chord and how easy it has become. It gives you the confidence to know, that when you get a new Chord which is HARD as hell, you can persist with it, knowing it will eventually be as easy as the D has become.

2.  Customize:   Some times it just won't work. There is just no way of stuffing those Porkers into that tiny Gap. Now I should add here in defence of those that might say I am having a go at Fat People "It's not the case"  I am not fat or even close to it, it's just like many I am blessed with short, strong, handsome Wink if slightly portly fingers. This for those of you that don't know means we have Pads much bigger than your average? player. I have met loads of Chubby players with the slenderest of fingers.
So use those fingers to your advantage and hold down two strings if needs be, where people with pin head fingers haven't the hope in hell of crunching two strings to the board.

A recent example of my own custom hold, is in Justins Triad lessons. Shape 1.   Justin Barres two strings with his index and holds the G string down with his middle finger. My Middle finger won't get in there. It wants to mute the strings around it and the string of my neighbours Ukulele, it just won't work. No problem, I use my ring finger on the G, same sound less crowding.

If you need some confidence take a browse around You tube and see some of the portliest fingers tiptoeing over the fret board. It will come to you. It maybe a little harder than for others but maybe that will make you a more accomplished player. If you want to fell humble take a look at Mark Goffeney he is a Genius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mlfTYAaUWc or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOTXk3Ba7aY I am  driven to not complain when I watch him Embarrassed

Message for the Site:  How about a forum for the Finger Challenged?  It would be good to hear people with short/fat/thin fingers and how they have had to adapt patterns to work for them.

Oh and by the way Hello Cheesy  First post here Smiley  Thank Justin you are an inspiration.

Bans (Steve)
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 10:13:33 PM »

I have very small fingers...mine are not fat fingers I think they stopped getting bigger when I was 15...I am 23...........I'm having an impossible time with the open F chord!!!

the problem is, to get the two bottom strings to ring clear it is near impossible to arch my other fingers to meet the strings....they're just not long enough......basically, I do the cheat F chord....any suggestions???

Everyone keeps telling me that with practice it will fall into place I hope......(I plan on playing F as a barre chord!)

*PS I'm afraid I will suffer with triad chords as the one position also barres the first two strings with the first finger

Outside of barring strings, my short fingers are okay, I adapt...I have no problems playing anything else...yet (I'm new)
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 10:21:35 AM »

I'm sorry but there is no solution other than practice.

I have seen and taught people with huge fat fingers and others (like kids) with small hands and they get there in the end.

Check out Andea Segovia - on of the greatest players that ever lived - he has HUGE fingers, he was a fat dude!

Good advice Bans Smiley cheers J
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 05:53:10 PM »

Does anyone else have any trouble with the B string on the first fret.  I don't have particularly thick fingers but it seems I have great trouble with chords such as C major and A Minor, since the first finger always seems to be either touching the G string or the high E string.  I don't seem to have any trouble on any other open chords which don not involve fretting the B string on the first fret. 

Was hoping that someone could tell me that this is nothing to worry about before I stick my first finger in a vice to make it thinner.

Thanks
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 06:25:11 PM »

How long have you been playing? We all have issues with one chord or another, and at first it seems impossible to make all your fingers go where they should, but practice should solve this.

So put down the vice router, and pick up your guitar. All you need is some more practice Wink
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 03:56:35 AM »

Hi All,

My main problem with D chord is that I have thick fingers and have developed the (perhaps bad) habit of doing this chord using the 3rd, 4th and 5th fingers instead of the usual 2nd, 3rd and 4th...

But it becomes a bit of a problem when trying to tie a DSUS4 chord afterwards in my folk acoustic guitar (steel strings, narrower arm than classic nylon strings guitar!).With the "convencional" D chord arrangement it is easier,though....

As you can see, I 'm in a sort of dilemma...
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 04:44:48 AM »

No dilemma at all.  Just like the previous posts say, the answer is practice.

You might be happy you can play the D with those fingers sometime, though, for quick changes between D and Dm, like if you ever try Tommy Johnson's Big Road Blues.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2008, 03:10:44 AM »

Questions...
      first of all i'd like to thanks justinfor all his dedicated work to this site,i have learn't so much from your site  , thanks.
  been playing a few months and its getting there, got some easy song books but dont understand on some songs there are two chords together ie  f/g at the end of bar 4 ,do i play both as in 1,2 or is it a choice of either,can anybody help. also rhytm patterns where there are only chords, is it all down to ear,been on justins rhytm sites and have got them down ok. thanks again .
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2008, 03:31:06 AM »

knighty, check this page out:

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-007-Slash.php
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 08:35:16 AM »

Hi guys, just registered on the forum. I'm an absolute beginner and bought my Guitar a week ago. (Fender CD60) I've found it easier to get 'A' sounding sweet by using Justin's 2, 1, 3, finger position approach.

I'd like some advice however, on finger position for 'D'. I can play it sweet switching fingers 1 and 2 around on the 2nd fret. My finger positions are therefore 2,3,1, as opposed to traditional 1,3,2, Is this ok, or bad practice? I know i've only been at it a week but your thoughts would be appreciated.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 08:50:03 AM »

Steam, your best best is to follow the fingerings as Justin has recommended. While it may seem easier to play the chords the way your fingers want to fit on the strings, usually there is some method to the madness. In the case of the D chord, (edit on second thought) it is probably alright, though I prefer the traditional way.

In any case, you have only been playing a week. My recommendation is to follow the chords *exactly* as written until you become skilled and then you can decide how you like to do things. For example, I play my A chord as 123 or sometimes 234 or sometimes as a barre with my 2nd finger.

Regardless, the guitar has been played for centuries and the fingerings are pretty old. People are always playing around with tunings and fingerings, so what we have seems to be a well-settled set of efficient rules. No sense modifying the rules until you know what you are doing... stick with it, it is very very hard the first few months.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 02:30:26 PM »

I was just checking out the Basic Open Chords page, as an added comment to the C chord fingering, it is also common, at least for bluegrassers, to finger it with the third finger on the third fret of the 6th (low E) string and the forth finger on the third fret of the 5th string. This way one can alternate between the C note on the 5th string and the G note on the 6th string. This is used in lots of country arrangments as well. Of course, now that I think about it, this fingering is a bit tough to get your hand around right off the bat, so learn the one shown first and then give this one a try later on...

don't worry it will come, and when you feel like smashing your guitar, just set it aside for awhile and chill, frustration will be along with you for the rest of the ride, but when you finally get something down, revel in it...
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2008, 06:23:13 AM »

How one should practice chord progression to get the maximum?
n How long one should practice? Whether one should practice with metronome or without it? If with the metronome, what should be the bps to set?
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