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Author Topic: TR-003 • Beginners Transcribing Hints  (Read 6223 times)
royp
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 03:39:14 AM »

I'm new to this forum, so "hello" to all of you. My question about transcribing is this: Are we talking about transcribing the notes in a song or the chords. From what I've read, it sounds like both. Is that correct? Thank you.

Hello  Smiley and welcome.

Yes, I think it is both chords and notes. If I remember correctly Justin recommends starting with chords. That is how I started and it was easier for me than transcribing the notes. I still find it easier to get the chords to a simple song than it is to get the notes. Of course, I have to know the chords first and have played them a lot. If they are unfamiliar chords I will maybe just get the basic chord, but not the extension or the inversion. The voicing, I find, is easier to get. Don't know why.

The notes are a lot harder for me, and take more work. But I guess if I did not know my chords then the notes would be easiest to get.

So I would say start on whatever is easiest for you - notes or chords - or try both.

What I use a lot for practice is simple tunes I hear on You Tube, like old swing songs. I recently worked out "memories are made of this" as sung by Dean Martin. That sort of thing is a lot easier than some of the songs I try.

Even if you know the chords I think it is useful to try to play the melody or the vocal line on your guitar. Again, I recently worked out the vocal line for "with a little help from my friends" by The Beatles. That is also a simple one, written for Ringo to sing.

Working out so many simple tunes is really encouraging and good ear training.

Learning your scales is very helpful too. In fact if you play your scales a lot you will start to hear familiar tunes in them as you play around with them. One thing I found for myself is that I was worrying far too much about finding out what key a song is in before I started to transcribe it. Now all I do is I pick out the melody or vocal line without thinking about what key I might be playing in. When I get the notes, then it becomes obvious what key it is in.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 07:38:05 PM »

Justin I m going to take up your challenge to transcribe because I feel in my gut you are correct.
The one thing that has always held me back from transcribing is "how do I know when I've got it correct?"  To me thats the most basic and fundamental mental obstacle.
When will i know if I've got it correct or will I "successfully " transcribe something only to go play with others and find them staring at me because I'm way off.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2009, 11:43:16 AM »

The one thing that has always held me back from transcribing is "how do I know when I've got it correct?"  To me that's the most basic and fundamental mental obstacle.

When will i know if I've got it correct ...

Try Justin's training exercises on the main web site by clicking the link below -

http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-118-JUSTINstage1.php

There is a help topic for the training also -

http://www.justinguitar.com/forum/index.php?topic=16427.0

Transcribing is the best way, your feeling is right.





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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2009, 12:05:53 AM »

Hey, I've just started playing transcribing seems to be way beyond me. I did the first two exercises of Justin's ear training but when I tried to work out "Sitting On The Dock Of The Bay (Otis Redding)" i just couldn't do it. Cant hear the guitar at all. Then I tried "All Along the Watchtower (Bob Dylan)" and I heard the guitar this time, but even when I use Transcribe! to slow it down I just can't hear any chords! Can't here bass, nothing, its like the songs going at half speed and the guitars kinda clear but his voice is just "over" the guitar and i cant hear any chords while hes singing. Anyone got any "easy" songs where the chords are clear enough? Its hard enough to hear them and work 'em out  Sad
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2009, 12:29:10 AM »

Baggy, there are other things you can change in Transcribe! other than the speed.  You can try the karaoke mode to remove most of the vocals or try panning left or right to hear the guitar better.  You can also try playing with the EQ to hear different parts such as the bass better.  There will be occasions where you simply can't hear the guitar because it is overwhelmed by other instruments.  In those cases you have to try to find chords which fit with the other instruments and use whatever rhythm you feel fits the song.  Transcribing isn't easy and it can be time consuming but stick with it.  Personally I find it easier to transcribe riff based songs rather than chord based songs, but it is probably different for different people.  It is easy to just download tabs off the internet (which I do sometimes) and not bother transcribing but then you will come across a song you want to play that you cannot find a tab for and transcribing is the only way.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2009, 01:37:11 AM »

is there any software you recommend?

Justin recommends Transcribe. Click the link below.

http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html?a=48

Read about it under "Slow the recording down" here -

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TR-002-HowTranscribe.php



Where does Justin recommend Trabnscribe? I'm sure I saw it on his site now I can't find it. Thanks for this, I thought I was going mad... maybe I am hahahahahah!
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2009, 01:14:26 AM »

It is easy to just download tabs off the internet (which I do sometimes) and not bother transcribing but then you will come across a song you want to play that you cannot find a tab for and transcribing is the only way.
I agree with you on this.
I have tried to play some quite popular songs, but the tabs aren't as detailed as I would like, so for me, transcribing is the only way too.
Before, I usually went for online tabs too, but when I got better at guitar I quickly found out a lot of the tabs are incorrect.

I found Transcribe! very handy because I could listen to various parts over and over very quickly by just putting the cursor somewhere and using my space bar (I know you can loop stuff, but yeah...). I have tried the slow-down method but I somehow stopped using that for some reason...
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2009, 10:33:22 AM »

how important is it really to write it down when doing this? I just do it on the guitar and remember it. i mean, is there any other reasons for writing it down other than that you can go back and look at it if you forget it?
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2009, 11:16:31 AM »

I don't write a lot of stuff down either, but if you're transcribing some 'intricate' picking patterns in 'full' detail, it might help to write it all down, from front to back, then come back to what you wrote down to learn it.
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